Twenty years ago this past February, @KevinMarks.com (@KevinMarks@xoxo.zone) and I introduced #microformats in a conference presentation.

Full post: https://tantek.com/2024/044/t1/twenty-years-microformats

Aside: This is a summary of a longer post from ~200 days ago¹, which #Mastodon readers never got due to a Mastodon #federation bug (instances returned 202 for post inbox delivery, but did not show post to followers or on local profiles, details in https://tantek.com/t5Yo1).

I wrote a retrospective last year: https://tantek.com/2023/047/t1/nineteen-years-microformats

Since then, here are the top three updates & interesting developments in microformats:

1. Growing rel=me adoption for distributed verification (✅ in Mastodon etc.)
 * Wikipedia, Threads, omg.lol support
2. A proposal to merge #microformats2 h-review into h-entry, since reviews are in practice (e.g. on the #indieweb) always entries with a bit more information.
3. #metaformats adoptions, implementations, and iteration

More details:
¹ https://tantek.com/2024/044/t1/twenty-years-microformats
#microformats #Mastodon #federation #microformats2 #indieweb #metaformats

The Underestimation of a Gentle Spirit (Movie Review of Perfect Days)

Adventures in IndieWeb / ActivityPub (AP) bridging:

While in general my posts are being successfully federated by https://fed.brid.gy/ (#BridgyFed), my most recent three posts, and two more earlier this year, were delivered successfully to multiple #Mastodon instances AP inboxes (returned 202), however the posts do not show up if you look-up my profile on those instances (and thus followers never saw them).

These most recent posts:
* https://tantek.com/2024/245/t1/read-write-suggest-edit-web
* https://tantek.com/2024/242/t1/indiewebcamp-portland
* https://tantek.com/2024/238/t3/indiewebcamp-auto-linking
and these earlier this year:
* https://tantek.com/2024/173/t1/years-posse-microformats-adoption
* https://tantek.com/2024/044/t1/twenty-years-microformats

were all delivered to over 300 instances, which returned "202" codes, however none of them show up in profile views on those instances, e.g.
* https://indieweb.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com
* https://mastodon.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com
* https://social.coop/@tantek.com@tantek.com
* https://w3c.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com
(My most recent post on all of these is the same 2024-08-25 post starting with “All setup here at IndieWebCamp Portland!”)

Why would a Mastodon instance respond with a 202 to an AP inbox delivery and then not show that post on the local profile view?

GitHub tracking bug in case you can help narrow/track this down or have
* https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/884

Let’s see if this post makes it to your Mastodon (or other #fediverse) reader/client.

#indieweb #ActivityPub

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✏️ I want the Read Write Suggest-Edit Accept-Edit Update Web.

The consumer Infinite Scroll Web leaves us feeling empty.

Too few of us participate in the Read Write Web, whether with personal sites or Wikipedia.

A week ago when we wrapped up #IndieWebCamp Portland and I was reading @KevinMarks.com (@kevinmarks@indieweb.social @kevinmarks@xoxo.zone @kevinmarks) live-tooting of the demos¹, I noticed a few errors, typos or miscaptures, and pointed them out in-person.

Kevin was able to quickly edit his toots and update them for anyone reading, thanks to #Mastodon’s post editing feature and its support of #ActivityPub Updates. But this shouldn’t require being in the same room, IRL or chat.

We should be able to suggest edits to each other’s posts, as easily as we can reply and add a comment.

13 years ago I wrote²:

 “The Read Write Web is no longer sufficient. I want the Read Fork Write Merge Web.”

Now I want the Read Write Suggest-Edit Accept-Edit Update Web.

The ↪ Reply button is fairly ubiquitous in modern post user interfaces (UIs).

Why not also a ✏️ Suggest Edit button, to craft a fix for a typo, grammar, or other minor error, and send the author for their review, and acceptance or rejection? Perhaps viewable only by the suggester and the author, to avoid "performative" suggested edits.

If the author’s posts provide revision histories, when a suggested edit is accepted, a post’s history could show the contributor of the edit.

Instead of asking Kevin in-person, what if I could have posted special "Suggested Edit" responses in reply to his toots, for which he would receive special notifications, and could choose to one-click accept and update (or further edit) his toots?

To enable such UIs and interactions across servers and implementations, we may need a new type of response³, perhaps with a special property (or more) to convey the edits being suggested.

There is documentation of this and similar use-cases, prior art / UIs, as well as some brainstorming on the #IndieWeb wiki:
* https://indieweb.org/edit

Our interaction after IndieWebCamp has inspired me to take another look at how can we design and prototype solutions to this problem.

For now, if you host your blog and posts as static files on GitHub (or equivalent), you could add a button like this to your posts alongside Like, Reply, Repost buttons:

✏️ Suggest Edit

and link it to an edit URL for the static file for the post.

I don’t use GitHub static files myself for posts, but here’s an example of such an edit link for one of my projects:

https://tantek.com/github/cassis/edit/main/README.md

This will start the process of creating a “pull request”, GitHub’s jargon for a “suggested edit”.

After completing GitHub’s ceremony of entering multiple text fields (summary & description), and multiple clicks to create said “pull request”, it’ll be sent to the author to review. Presuming the author likes the suggested edit, they can perform the other half of GitHub’s jargon-filled ceremonies to “Merge” or “Squash & Merge”, “Delete fork”, etc. to accept the edit.

It’s an awkward interaction, however useful for at least prototyping a ✏️ Suggest Edit button on sites that store their posts as files in GitHub. Certainly worthy of experimenting with and gathering experience to design and build even better interactions.

We can start with the shortest path to getting something working, then learn, iterate, improve, repeat.

#readWriteWeb #editableWeb #suggestEdit #acceptEdit

References:

¹ https://indieweb.social/@kevinmarks/113025295600067213
² https://tantek.com/2011/174/t1/read-fork-write-merge-web-osb11
³ https://indieweb.org/responses
The phrase “pull request” was derived from the git command: “git request-pull” according to https://www.reddit.com/r/git/comments/nvahcp/comment/h12hzj7/
“edits” in GitHub require taking far more steps, and navigating far more jargon, then say, Wikipedia pages, which come down to “Edit” and “Save”. We should aspire to Wikipedia’s simplicity, not GitHub’s ceremonies.

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Thoguhts on the Resiliency of Web Projects

I just did a massive spring cleaning of one of my servers, trying to clean up what has become quite the mess of clutter. For every website on the server, I either:
#indieweb #clutter #projects #100daysofmusic #biketheeclipse
Elizabeth Street Garden

Enjoying endangered gardens

Show went well

well well well... what have we here! Just did some surgery on this Mac SE and replaced the hard drive with a BlueSCSI and it's alive!

Now I just have to upgrade this to 4mb RAM and then we'll be in business!
#macintosh #bluescsi

Thanks to Matthew for reading my post on recent IndieWeb discourse and adding a new section with his responses and notifying me about it via email.

There are certainly a number of things in Matthew’s response that tempt me to respond, but I’d like to focus on this:

I am, nevertheless, a little annoyed by the exhortation to “talk with us”. What does it look like I’m doing over here, anyway? Oh, no, it’s not good enough to post one’s opinion on the web. I’m supposed to use one of the IndieWeb’s chats, either IRC, Slack, or Discord. […] I am already talking with you. I’m doing it here, on my own website for all to see, in the best IndieWeb tradition. And you are talking to me if you quote me on your own website or email me.

I don’t consider my post a reply to Matthew’s post. I do not see his post as an invitation to conversation. I read it as a “take” - an opinion piece intended to make the reader feel a certain way and then close the topic, complete with clickbait headline.

I shouldn’t have to point out that bloggers-blogging-at-bloggers has a long history of unproductive conversation. Reducing the impact of unproductive conversations is part is why there’s not an IndieWeb mailing list. It’s easy in these formats to go hard on the abstract, and to spend time constructing arguments instead of asking questions.

That’s not to say that posts can’t inspire change. In the past day or so indieweb.org/discuss has been updated to mention right in the opening sentence that the IRC, web, Slack, and Discord chats are all bridged. Discussions have also kicked up (not for the first time) around making the homepage more welcoming, focusing on principles first, etc.

Those changes are being decided in the real-time chat, where you can meet and talk with the individuals (all volunteers!) who make up the IndieWeb community. I reckon it beats trying to reverse-engineer that community from a wiki.

🇺🇸 New Hat #WhiteDudesForHarris

Had a great time at IndieWebCamp Portland 2024 this past Sunday — our 10th IndieWebCamp in Portland!

https://events.indieweb.org/2024/08/indiewebcamp-portland-2024-8bucXDlLqR0k

Being a one day #IndieWebCamp, we focused more on making, hacking, and creating, than on formal discussion sessions.

Nearly everyone gave a brief personal site intro with a summary of how they use their #IndieWeb site and what they would like to add, remove, or improve.
* https://indieweb.org/2024/Portland/Intros

There were lots of informal discussions, some in the main room, on the walk to and from lunch, over lunch in the nearby outdoor patio, or at tables inside the lobby of the Hotel Grand Stark.

We wrapped up with our usual Create Day¹ Demos session, live streamed for remote attendees to see as well. Lots of great demos of things people built, designed, removed, cleaned-up, documented, and blogged! Everyone still at the camp showed something on their personal site!
* https://indieweb.org/2024/Portland/Demos

Group photo and lots more about IndieWebCamp Portland 2024 at the event’s wiki page:
* https://indieweb.org/2024/Portland


Thanks to everyone who pitched in to help organize IndieWebCamp Portland 2024! Thanks especially to Marty McGuire (@martymcgui.re) for taking live notes during both the personal site intros and create day demos, to @KevinMarks.com (@kevinmarks@xoxo.zone @kevinmarks @kevinmarks@indieweb.social) for the IndieWebCamp live-tooting, and Ryan Barrett (@snarfed.org) for amazing breakfast pastries from Dos Hermanos.

The experience definitely raised our hopes and confidence for returning to Portland in 2025.²


References:
¹ https://indieweb.org/Create_Day
² https://indieweb.org/Planning#Portland

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Sharing for my fedi-peeps. That’s a term, right?

Has the IndieWeb become discourse, again? https://martymcgui.re/2024/08/29/141602/

Has the IndieWeb become discourse again?

#IndieWeb #discourse

TODO

Bandcrash updated

Are you safely stowed away during eternal Caturday?

Are you giving it your all during eternal Caturday?

Study Hall
Nice #IndieWebCamp discussion session with @KevinMarks.com (@kevinmarks@xoxo.com @kevinmarks) on the topic of auto-linking¹.

I’ve implemented an auto_link function² that handles quite a few use-cases of URLs (with or without http: or https:), @-name @-domain @-domain/path @-@-handles, hashtags(#), and footnotes(^).

Much of it is based on what I’ve seen work (or implemented) on sites and software, and some of it is based on logically extending how people are using text punctuation across various services.

It may be time for me to write-up an auto-link specification based on the algorithms I’ve come up with, implemented, and am using live on my site. All the algorithms work fully offline (none of them require querying a site for more info, whether well-known or otherwise), so they can be used in offline-first authoring/writing clients.

I have identified three logical chunks of auto-linking functionality, each of which has different constraints and potential needs for local to the linking context information (like hashtags need a default tagspace). Each would be a good section for a new specification. Each is used by this very post.

* URLs, @-s, and @-@-s
* # hashtags
* ^ footnotes

#IndieWeb #autoLink #hashtag #hashtags #footnote #footnotes

Previously, previously, previously:
* https://tantek.com/2024/070/t1/updated-auto-linking-mention-use-cases
* https://tantek.com/2023/100/t1/auto-linked-hashtags-federated
* https://tantek.com/2023/043/t1/footnotes-unicode-links
* https://tantek.com/2023/019/t5/reply-domain-above-address-and-silo

References:
¹ https://indieweb.org/autolink
² https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/main/cassis.js

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All setup here at IndieWebCamp Portland!

https://events.indieweb.org/2024/08/indiewebcamp-portland-2024-8bucXDlLqR0k

Good crowd of participants from #XOXO #XOXOConf (@xoxofest.com @xoxo@xoxo.zone @xoxo) here to work on their personal website(s), domains, or other independent social media setups!

As encouraged by Andy Baio (@waxy.org @andybaio@xoxo.zone @waxpancake)

“Every one of you should have a home on the web not controlled by a billionaire.”

If you’re in #Portland and want help, encouragement, or camaraderie in getting setup or doing more with your personal site, come on by! We’ll be having a mix of discussion sessions and create/hack sessions.

Personal site and hack demos at 16:00 PDT!

#indieweb #fediverse #ActivityPub #decentralized #socialMedia

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