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Standards are documentation, not legislation. They explain how to make your code do the same thing as mine. Sadly, we write them in an imperative voice, and don't explain how we chose them. @slightlylate has more to say: https://infrequently.org/2018/06/effective-standards-work-part-1-the-lay-of-the-land/ #Indieweb #microformats
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Snail
Continuing my baby steps towards equipping Grav, which runs this, my main website, with a Micropub endpoint, it took me almost half a day to remember where I had got to. And about ten minutes to undo all my good work. Like the proverbial snail, though, I am now a little bit closer than I was, even if I had to drop down a bit to get here. And i (re)learned two important lessons: git; and small steps.
More this way ...
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Mildred Marianne asked How do you define #IndieWeb? and a couple of us weighed in. My own brief answer concluded "More a state of mind than a thing, I'd say" but Chris Aldrich went into a lot more detail. His piece is well worth checking out in detail, as it offers a bird's eye view of all the different things the IndieWeb is and could be. I might take issue with singling out the country of America for his metaphor as being a tad parochial, but one could choose any reasonably democratic place instead.
I want to respond to a little thing. In questioning the closed nature of the big silos, Chris asks parenthetically: Would you use your phone to only call friends who use AT&T?
More this way ...
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I am! That said, a couple things to note:
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Ohh this is exciting! Congrats https://eddiehinkle.com!
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Indigenous Beta version 0.3 submitted to TestFlight for review. 🤞 Hopefully it goes through quickly. Now to working on version 0.4! IndieWebSummit is coming quickly 🙈
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@MildredMarianne I've been looking at (your?) https://douglass.io/ project. If you can make it to IndieWebSummit, it would be a nice presentation. https://2018.indieweb.org/
@aaronpk may have some travel fund assistance if it helps to make last minute travel arrangements.
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@csageland thank you and looking forward to meeting you @IndieWebSummit!
Got ideas for what you want to brainstorm and make?
Join us in chat.indieweb.org (or via Freenode IRC, Slack, or Matrix indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions)
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Testing together micropub editor
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I’ll be in Portland, OR for the 2018 IndieWeb Summit in a few weeks. If you’re interested in the future of the open web, I’d encourage you to join me. It’s one of my favorite events of the year! https://2018.indieweb.org
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going to Decentralized Web Meetup @InternetArchive tonight, looking forward to talking & sharing about #longevity #selfdogfooding #indieweb principles, demonstrating examples using my website, and inviting everyone to @IndieWebSummit!
Links and thoughts for discussion:
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* Use what you make https://indieweb.org/
* Principles https://indieweb.org/principles supporting a plurality of projects
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- back to selfdogfooding, it’s an indie event that accepts federated RSVPs, and also accepts sign-ups via webform.
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Have been watching this thread, and want to also encourage vocabulary re-use wherever possible, as it greatly helps sharing content and bridging across various heterogenous systems.
https://github.com/kevinmarks mentioned h-entry already, which builds on all the experience and expertise from RSS and Atom.
Similarly, consider https://microformats.org/wiki/h-card (based on the IETF vCard standard, and adapted for the web and JSON-friendly) for references and descriptions of people.
Most recently I saw the calendar-app event example in a previous comment, which could re-use https://microformats.org/wiki/h-event as well (similarly based on the IETF iCalendar standard). Happy to present an example using LZ syntax etc with h-calendar vocabulary if that would be helpful.
All of these vocabularies have been both implemented and successfully interoperably deployed peer-to-peer across numerous websites, publishing and parsing / consuming. (stats and examples available at indiemap.org)
Happy to help answer any questions about how these vocabularies are developed and how they’re community maintained, either here or chat.indieweb.org.
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I'm interested to see how you get on with that!
I started a gatsby site the other day aiming to show various types of micropub posts. Feel free to lift code from it: https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub-post-demos
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This a wonderful writeup about IndieWeb from my friend @smerrill (skippy) https://skippy.net/silos/
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There is also fragmention proposal by @kevinmarks https://indieweb.org/fragmention
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Will miss you @Dries! Can you perhaps participate in the summit remotely? https://indieweb.org/2018#Remote_Participation
Add yourself (no RSVP needed) https://indieweb.org/2018/Guest_Book#Remote_Participants
And join the chat whenever you can and say hi! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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The 8th annual @IndieWebSummit is in 2 weeks!
Want to
* Own your identity on the web
* Reply to #Mastodon toots with your own website
* Grow the practical user-centric #decentralizedweb #dweb
* Build with @W3C + #IndieWeb standards & experts
RSVP: https://2018.indieweb.org/
Learn, get inspired, brainstorm, design, create, make, and help grow the present & future of the independent #openweb!
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