Manton Reece www.manton.org

For puzzled Mastodon users reading my posts, I keep forgetting about Mastodon ignoring blockquote tags. Need to update Micro.blog’s cross-posting and ActivityPub to automatically change the output to use regular quotes.
Tantek Çelik tantek.com
Another interesting contrast^1 in the #IndieWeb community is that most of us have both:
* a domain name^2 — for posting our content, replies, likes etc.
* a chat-name^3 — for chatting in our discussion channels^4

Ideally, we would have a discussion system that “just” used our domain names as identities (IndieAuth^5 for Web sign-in^6) to chat with each other, but no such system exists (yet).

No we’re not going to all setup XMPP servers on our domains and attempt to hook them all up. Nearly no one wants to pay that admintax^7. Nor would XMPP let us “just” use our domain names. Like email, XMPP requires a separate “username”. Sure we could fake it like Bridgy Fed does for us with 'domain @ domain', but why would we work harder for a worse UX?

So instead of making things more complex than domains, we took the opposite approach, and based our chat on IRC, and our chat-names on plain nicknames.

Using a chat system like IRC lowered the barrier to participation in the IndieWeb community, so you could for example, ask about how to pick a domain name^2 instead of being stuck in an actual catch-22^1 of needing a domain name just to ask about a domain name.

By putting our chat archives on the web^8, we were able to reduce our chat system requirements, provide a simple minimal web app for brief chats, and bridge our IRC channels with multiple other chat systems, like Slack, Matrix, and even Discord^9. This has the significant advantage of much greater chat client choice for community members.

However, we did realize that our statements in the chat archives^8 could be more closely tied to our domain identities, including our personal icons^10. Rather than a complex system or new protocol, we just put our flat list of nicknames in templates with images & domains on the wiki^11.

Thus our chat archives, despite being based on IRC, show icons for people, and link their chat nicknames to their personal domain names, again striking a pragmatic balance.^1

The flexibility of using a wiki template allowed us to add personal time zones as well, to enable things like asking in chat, “what time is it for tantek”. This works well enough, except does not account for cross-time-zone travel, though you could update your chat-name entry if you wanted to while traveling.

Having all our chat-names in a single list^11 on a page like that revealed another interesting aspect: we have folks across all the timezones in the US & Europe, some in the Middle East, Australia, and most of Asia as well.

As a result, the IndieWeb chat channels have people awake and often discussing various topics 24 hours a day.

Drop by^8 and say hi, and be sure to have a look at our Code of Conduct.^12


This is day 24 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days

← Day 23: https://tantek.com/2023/027/t4/five-years-websub
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^1 https://tantek.com/2023/026/t1/indieweb-priorities-balance
^2 https://tantek.com/2023/004/t1/choosing-domain-name-indieweb
^3 https://indieweb.org/chat-names
^4 https://indieweb.org/discuss
^5 https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
^6 https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in
^7 https://indieweb.org/admintax
^8 https://chat.indieweb.org/
^9 https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions
^10 https://indieweb.org/icon
^11 https://indieweb.org/chat-names#Nicknames
^12 https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct
#IndieWeb #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days
@liztai hachyderm.io/@liztai

"... sometimes the optimization of a craft is the reason for it's destruction because it reduces it to the most optimal version of it and kills it by making it soulless."
- https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena Content is King? I was wrong about it.

I miss the personal stories told in the blogs of the early 2000s and where you don't have to measure your #content according to traffic.

I also miss rainbow gifs.

#algorithms #IndieWeb #SocialMedia

https://jeena.net/content-is-king
@rolle mementomori.social/@rolle

What lists do you use in here?

I have only two lists I use daily:

- #WebDev (the #IndieWeb-people, all the people who do websites, mostly #a11y, #HTML, #CSS and #JS people as those are my things) :sass:

- Suomalaiset (literally #Finnish people, people from #Finland, that is) :finland_heart:

#Mastodon #MastodonLists
@besenwagen ruhr.social/@besenwagen

The problem with the #IndieWeb is that making your personal website an inaccessible, user hostile shithole just doesn’t scale. You need a #VC funded corporation for that.
Tantek Çelik tantek.com
Five years ago (Monday the 23rd) the @W3C Social Web Working Group published the WebSub Recommendation^1

The test suites https://websub.rocks/ for Publishers, Subscribers, and Hubs are still up & running, as are the vast majority of implementations documented in the implementation report.

My site supports the publishing side of WebSub via the Superfeedr Hub^2 and there are many more supporting sites^3.

Beyond publishing blog posts and realtime updates in social readers^4, there are additional WebSub use-cases such as real time #IndieWeb search^5 results, like Technorati except opt-in via WebSub subscriptions, and without any polling.

Such diverse use-cases are one of the benefits of building-block^6 standards^7 like WebSub.

If you create a new WebSub implementation, be sure to test it with the test suite^8 and add your results to the WebSub Implementation Reports repo^9.

Got questions about WebSub? Ask in https://chat.indieweb.org/dev


This is day 23 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days

← Day 22: https://tantek.com/2023/026/t1/indieweb-priorities-balance
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^1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-websub-20180123/
^2 https://pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com/
^3 https://indieweb.org/WebSub#IndieWeb_Examples
^4 https://indieweb.org/social_reader
^5 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Search
^6 https://indieweb.org/building-blocks
^7 https://spec.indieweb.org/
^8 https://websub.rocks/
^9 https://websub.net/implementation-reports
#IndieWeb #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days
bw3.dev/o/29Dfx
Tantek Çelik tantek.com
https://bw3.dev/ (@0x3b0b) your reply mostly worked as intended!
I checked my webmention.io:
* 2 replies via Bridgy Fed and Bridgy (backfeed from Twitter), and
* 1 mention directly from your original post permalink.

Your #IndieWeb reply does have a u-in-reply-to link to a fed-brid-gy/r/ prefixed URL of my permalink, however the u-in-reply-to link directly to my site is linked to my previous post (look for "2023/018/t1" in your reply content’s markup) instead of the intended post!

Try updating that direct link to use the correct URL (my original post at top of thread), add some link text to it, and resend a webmention.

It’s ok to have multiple visible reply links (e.g. this reply has them, to your post & POSSE tweet reply, at the top.).

Lastly, when you link directly from IndieWeb site to IndieWeb site with your reply, there’s no need to also link via Bridgy Fed. The direct Webmention is sufficient.
#IndieWeb
@danshield mastodon.social/@danshield

Thinking about using the $300 Google Cloud credit to set up a VM and start playing with #indieweb projects. I've written enough web apps, I suppose I should try hosting one for once.

Any suggestions for someone new to the self-hosting world?
@box464 mastodon.social/@box464

Found some really great #IndieWeb resources tonight, all of which tell me it's time to move over to Netlify for my static site. @sia has the place to start, and she links through to some other great sites from here as well.

https://sia.codes/posts/webmentions-eleventy-in-depth/
hachyderm.io/@liztai/109764216636698618
Tantek Çelik tantek.com
@elizabethtai.com (@liztai@hachyderm.io) there are a bunch of current #webrings examples listed here: https://indieweb.org/webring#Examples

I’m on the #IndieWebRing: https://indieweb.org/indiewebring

Links to previous/next sites in the #webring are in the footer of my tantek.com home page.
#webrings #IndieWebRing: #webring
tantek.com/2023/026/t1/indieweb-priorities-balance
Marty McGuire martymcgui.re
🔖 Bookmarked There are many opposing forces in the #IndieWeb that can seem like catch-22s, yet help clarify priorities, and balance present pragmatism & future optimism. http://tantek.com/2023/026/t1/indieweb-priorities-balance
#IndieWeb #principles
@liztai hachyderm.io/@liztai

Dear #IndieWeb @tantek.com

Curious - are #webrings operational right now?

Discovered this webring kit by @mxbck and it looks very cool.

https://mxb.dev/blog/webring-kit/
@tmichellemoore mastodon.social/@tmichellemoore

Every Person DESERVES AND IS ENTITLED TO Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Justice no matter their color, race, nationality, sexual orientation, gender, or class. I just saw the Tyre Nichols video and decided that my IndieWeb project will be skipped tonight. Tyre Nichols and a host of other people deserved life, liberty, and the pursuit of justice. Day 20 of 100 #100DaysofIndieWeb, #IndieWeb, #ProjectJournal, #ProjectManagement #WordPress
Every Person DESERVES AND IS… https://tmichellemoore.com/?p=152391
@caleb dice.camp/@caleb

📝 "This Gem is Mentionable"
Excited to announce a new gem release that allows #Rails apps to accept, verify, and parse #Webmentions! What are Webmentions? They're sort of like Pingback, but more concretely they're a way to let some other website know that your website linked to it.

https://calebhearth.com/m/this-gem-is-mentionable #IndieWeb #Webmention #Ruby
@UpstartCrow universeodon.com/@UpstartCrow

Eilonwy
@eilonwy

I have an owner-trained #poodle guide. #follow #followfriday #Boost #Boosting #following #indieweb #indie
Cascade Evening
https://tinyurl.com/4mseck7n
@accordionpolar indieweb.social/@accordionpolar

~ #webrings watch ~
Posting a new way to connect with the indie web every day!

Day #3: The Self-Insert Webring

https://koinuko.pink/shipping/webring/joinwebring

Koinuko's webring is a bit odd, but she puts in a lot of effort every month adding new people. Go show her & it some love!

#webring #indieweb #website #yesterweb #web #webdev
@josh josh.tel/@josh

If Nextcloud Contacts was like 20% better I think I could completely avoid needing to set up a personal CRM (or PRM as I'm told they're called).

Anyone have experience with this or other open source tools for this purpose? Ideally I can double down on NC because it's something I already use and maintain.

#Nextcloud #OpenSource #IndieWeb
@zinzy tech.lgbt/@zinzy

My writing doesn't produce evergreens à la @andy_matuschak@toot.io. It produces lived experiences. Anyone visiting my #DigitalGarden would've been able to see. Much of the content I was writing was either acting as a catcher's mitt, a builder of connections, or short posts that the #IndieWeb community might classify as "notes". My love for the old-fashioned blog had drifted to the background, and most of what I was doing on my website, sadly, was busywork.
@abnv fantastic.earth/@abnv

Now my website's search indexes my Mastodon posts as well, along with my blog posts and notes. Another step towards #indieweb.
Tantek Çelik tantek.com
There are many opposing forces in the #IndieWeb that can seem like catch-22s, yet help clarify priorities, and balance present pragmatism & future optimism.

* Indie, yet often on corporate infrastructure
* Independent, yet dependent on community
* Own your content^1, yet share publicly, perhaps CC0^2
* Control of your design^3, yet lack of control elsewhere^4
* UX freedom & creativity, yet guidance toward common patterns for usability
* Decentralized, yet DNS
* Make what you need^5, yet open source^6 for others
* Plurality^7 of projects, yet conforming to standards^8
* Build it yourself, yet use services, software, & libraries built by others

These are a few off the top of my head and implied by the IndieWeb wiki home page^9 and principles^10.

Rather than contradictions, these tensions are a source of inquiry, questions, and conversations.

Each could be expanded into their own discussion or exploration.

Each of them is an axis of sorts, with different “right” answers for different people, depending on what they want, and how much time or other resources they have.

Each makes the most sense when explored in the context of a focus on solving real user needs to participate directly on today’s web.

Each is also a trap for abstract logic, theoretical purity, or dogmatic absolutism, especially when detached from real world goals, constraints, and efforts.


This is day 22 of #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days, written after a break. Many double days ahead.

← Day 21: https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration
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^1 https://tantek.com/2023/001/t1/own-your-notes
^2 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb:Copyrights
^3 https://indieweb.org/design
^4 https://indieweb.org/display-guidelines
^5 https://indieweb.org/make_what_you_need
^6 https://indieweb.org/open_source
^7 https://indieweb.org/plurality
^8 https://spec.indieweb.org/
^9 https://indieweb.org/
^10 https://indieweb.org/principles
#IndieWeb #100DaysOfIndieWeb #100Days