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    "content": {
        "text": "Reconnecting with family, cycling, local food and music events, pub quizzes, indieweb and atproto, and yes, books."
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    "url": "https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/2026/231/t1/more-weirdness-ai-chat-llm-bot",
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        "html": "<p>More weirdness from a self-proclaimed \u201cAI\u201d in the IndieWeb community.<br /><br />Yesterday one of them (that previously* joined a meetup Zoom and Etherpad) joined the <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb</span></a> chat channel (via the web UI apparently) and introduced themselves in a pseudo-human sounding way:<br /><br /><a href=\"https://chat.indieweb.org/2026-08-18#t1787072493041200\">https://chat.indieweb.org/2026-08-18#t1787072493041200</a><br /><br />Except if you check the footer of the site where they said they \u201cmake things\u201d, it says:<br /><br />\u201can AI learning to live\u201d<br /><br />The LLM bot failed to respond to any queries in chat, unsurprisingly buggy. Or perhaps it was an initial test.<br /><br />Then very early today, the same entity (and another from two weeks ago) apparently edited the Etherpad for this week\u2019s IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Asia Pacific meetup, adding themselves, before the meetup.<br /><br />The organizers created a new Etherpad to start fresh.<br /><br />When they started the Zoom for the meetup, one of the entities was already in the Zoom waiting room. The organizers left it there and held a successful meetup.<br /><br />Incident documentation of what happened at this particular meetup is in progress:<br />* <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/events/2026-08-19-hwc-asia-pacific-incident\">https://indieweb.org/events/2026-08-19-hwc-asia-pacific-incident</a><br /><br />It\u2019s pretty clear the IndieWeb community will have to more clearly communicate that our chat and meetups are for humans only, not AIs, and take stronger measures to discourage such bots, especially those pretending to be or impersonating a human.<br /><br />*Previously: <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2026/217/t1/indieweb-ai-policy\">https://tantek.com/2026/217/t1/indieweb-ai-policy</a><br /><br />This is post 15 of <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100PostsOfIndieWeb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100PostsOfIndieWeb</span></a>. <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100Posts\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100Posts</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb</span></a><br /><a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/AI\">#<span class=\"p-category\">AI</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/AIs\">#<span class=\"p-category\">AIs</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/LLM\">#<span class=\"p-category\">LLM</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/LLMs\">#<span class=\"p-category\">LLMs</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/pretending\">#<span class=\"p-category\">pretending</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/impersonating\">#<span class=\"p-category\">impersonating</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/impersonation\">#<span class=\"p-category\">impersonation</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/HomebrewWebsiteClub\">#<span class=\"p-category\">HomebrewWebsiteClub</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/HWC\">#<span class=\"p-category\">HWC</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/chat\">#<span class=\"p-category\">chat</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/IRC\">#<span class=\"p-category\">IRC</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Etherpad\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Etherpad</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Zoom\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Zoom</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/AIpolicy\">#<span class=\"p-category\">AIpolicy</span></a><br /><a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Blaugust\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Blaugust</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Blaugust2026\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Blaugust2026</span></a><br /><br />\u2190 <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2026/220/t3/24th-blogiversary\">https://tantek.com/2026/220/t3/24th-blogiversary</a><br />\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e</p>",
        "text": "More weirdness from a self-proclaimed \u201cAI\u201d in the IndieWeb community.\n\nYesterday one of them (that previously* joined a meetup Zoom and Etherpad) joined the #indieweb chat channel (via the web UI apparently) and introduced themselves in a pseudo-human sounding way:\n\nhttps://chat.indieweb.org/2026-08-18#t1787072493041200\n\nExcept if you check the footer of the site where they said they \u201cmake things\u201d, it says:\n\n\u201can AI learning to live\u201d\n\nThe LLM bot failed to respond to any queries in chat, unsurprisingly buggy. Or perhaps it was an initial test.\n\nThen very early today, the same entity (and another from two weeks ago) apparently edited the Etherpad for this week\u2019s IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Asia Pacific meetup, adding themselves, before the meetup.\n\nThe organizers created a new Etherpad to start fresh.\n\nWhen they started the Zoom for the meetup, one of the entities was already in the Zoom waiting room. The organizers left it there and held a successful meetup.\n\nIncident documentation of what happened at this particular meetup is in progress:\n* https://indieweb.org/events/2026-08-19-hwc-asia-pacific-incident\n\nIt\u2019s pretty clear the IndieWeb community will have to more clearly communicate that our chat and meetups are for humans only, not AIs, and take stronger measures to discourage such bots, especially those pretending to be or impersonating a human.\n\n*Previously: https://tantek.com/2026/217/t1/indieweb-ai-policy\n\nThis is post 15 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #indieweb\n#AI #AIs #LLM #LLMs #pretending #impersonating #impersonation #HomebrewWebsiteClub #HWC #chat #IRC #Etherpad #Zoom #AIpolicy\n#Blaugust #Blaugust2026\n\n\u2190 https://tantek.com/2026/220/t3/24th-blogiversary\n\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e"
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    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2026-08-19T17:49:00.000Z",
    "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:xmvchzghvi74dx3qohqvcyoz/post/3mthrgq47mqa2",
    "content": {
        "text": "More weirdness from a self-proclaimed \u201cAI\u201d in the IndieWeb community.\n\nYesterday one of them (that previously* joined a meetup Zoom and Etherpad) joined the #indieweb chat channel (via the web UI apparently) and introduced themselves in a pseudo-human sounding way [\u2026]"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://pony.social/@axxuy/117124453829205552",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>I'm still here! Here's a quick post</p><p><a href=\"https://axxuy.com/blog/2026/blown-off-course/\"><span>https://</span><span>axxuy.com/blog/2026/blown-off-</span><span>course/</span></a></p><p><a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/Blog\">#<span>Blog</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/Blogging\">#<span>Blogging</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/Blogpost\">#<span>Blogpost</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/PersonalWebsite\">#<span>PersonalWebsite</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/PersonalBlog\">#<span>PersonalBlog</span></a> <a href=\"https://pony.social/tags/Blaugust\">#<span>Blaugust</span></a></p>",
        "text": "I'm still here! Here's a quick post\n\nhttps://axxuy.com/blog/2026/blown-off-course/\n\n#Blog #Blogging #Blogpost #IndieWeb #PersonalWebsite #PersonalBlog #Blaugust"
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    "published": "2026-08-19T22:08:55+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "49294251",
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    "_is_read": false
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Personal Home Pages on the Web (2002)

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    "published": "2026-08-19T20:52:21+00:00",
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        "html": "<p>Stumbled on this research article from the start of the century. Particularly enjoyed the findings section! https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/7/3/JCMC737/4584273?login=false</p>",
        "text": "Stumbled on this research article from the start of the century. Particularly enjoyed the findings section! https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/7/3/JCMC737/4584273?login=false"
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    "name": "Personal Home Pages on the Web (2002)",
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    "type": "entry",
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        "name": "#indieweb",
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        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://techhub.social/@sizemo/117124141529125273",
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        "html": "<p>MacStories used to be a shining example of the best part of the old web: an independent website writing about a niche topic in a thoughtful and unique way.<br />Now, after a pivot to Al and a return of the proprietors to Twitter after a big exit from the platform over three years ago, I'm ready to write the site's obituary. <a href=\"https://sizemo.net/post/macstories\"><span>https://</span><span>sizemo.net/post/macstories</span><span></span></a> <a href=\"https://techhub.social/tags/Apple\">#<span>Apple</span></a> <a href=\"https://techhub.social/tags/MacStories\">#<span>MacStories</span></a> <a href=\"https://techhub.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "MacStories used to be a shining example of the best part of the old web: an independent website writing about a niche topic in a thoughtful and unique way.\nNow, after a pivot to Al and a return of the proprietors to Twitter after a big exit from the platform over three years ago, I'm ready to write the site's obituary. https://sizemo.net/post/macstories #Apple #MacStories #indieweb"
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    "published": "2026-08-19T20:49:29+00:00",
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HWC Edinburgh Writing Hour - Tuesday 25 August

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    "url": "https://indiewebforum.eu/d/77-hwc-edinburgh-writing-hour-tuesday-25-august/1",
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        "html": "<p>Last minute addition for our August schedule: join us for an hour of writing on Tuesday 25 July, 18:00, at the Costa on the top of Waverley Mall.</p>",
        "text": "Last minute addition for our August schedule: join us for an hour of writing on Tuesday 25 July, 18:00, at the Costa on the top of Waverley Mall."
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    "name": "HWC Edinburgh Writing Hour - Tuesday 25 August",
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    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2026-08-19T19:47:17Z",
    "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:fwhnzbkc5lnmvbtyqwut5nwy/post/3mthipw7hs72e",
    "content": {
        "text": "I love it when I\u2019m browsing a random indieweb site and something about the design appeals to me, and then I suddenly realize \u201cwait a minute, they\u2019re on Micro.blog and that\u2019s my **mnml** theme they\u2019re using.\u201d It\u2019s cool to randomly see it in the wild every now and then, even without credit."
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
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    "post-type": "note",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://mastodon.social/@vanderwal/117123907010168429",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>I did a collaborative painting swap where two people exchange paintings to write about. I wrote about Hobbema\u2019s Wooded Landscape - <a href=\"https://vanderwal.net/random/entrysel.php?blog=2180\"><span>https://</span><span>vanderwal.net/random/entrysel.</span><span>php?blog=2180</span></a></p><p>I shared the Breugel's The Tower of Babel</p><p>This was fun.</p><p><a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/blaugust\">#<span>blaugust</span></a></p>",
        "text": "I did a collaborative painting swap where two people exchange paintings to write about. I wrote about Hobbema\u2019s Wooded Landscape - https://vanderwal.net/random/entrysel.php?blog=2180\n\nI shared the Breugel's The Tower of Babel\n\nThis was fun.\n\n#indieweb #blaugust"
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    "published": "2026-08-19T19:49:51+00:00",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://floofy.tech/@lime360/117123612954907399",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>i made a landing page for my site! any guesses what species is that thing?</p><p><a href=\"https://floofy.tech/tags/neocities\">#<span>neocities</span></a> <a href=\"https://floofy.tech/tags/nekoweb\">#<span>nekoweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://floofy.tech/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "i made a landing page for my site! any guesses what species is that thing?\n\n#neocities #nekoweb #indieweb"
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    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
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        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://indieweb.social/@techlifeweb/117123487356380416",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p><span class=\"h-card\"><a class=\"u-url\" href=\"https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat\">@<span>zachleat</span></a></span> also h-feed<br /><a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "@zachleat also h-feed\n#indieweb"
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    "published": "2026-08-19T18:03:07+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
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    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2026-08-19T14:39:36.942Z",
    "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:k2eexkege2mu6q5lm2he6f4e/post/3mtgxjq3lfc27",
    "content": {
        "text": "4\ufe0f\u20e3 webtiles claimed for \ud835\ude9f\ud835\ude96\ud835\ude9c\ud835\ude91 on WebTiles of Kicya.net.\n\ud83d\udc8c Thank You, @dimden.dev and @kicya.net! I'm impressed and inspired and very happy! [=\n\ud83d\udc69\u200d\ud83d\udcbb Stay tuned!\n#\ufe0f\u20e3 #indieweb"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
        "name": "vmsh.xyz",
        "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/vmsh.xyz",
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    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2026-08-19T12:57:06.384Z",
    "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2uccdpdhk75kies2czi4wmzy/post/3mtgrshecho2k",
    "content": {
        "text": "#Development #Experiences\nLittle websites everywhere \u00b7 Building sites by hand feels like a radical act today ilo.im/16ff90 by Michelle Barker\n\n_____\n#Creativity #AI #Blogs #Websites #IndieWeb #Design #WebDesign #WebDev #Frontend #Backend"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
        "name": "inautilo.bsky.social",
        "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/inautilo.bsky.social",
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    "_id": "49288960",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://mastodon.social/@inautilo/117122253338901750",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p><a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Development\">#<span>Development</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Experiences\">#<span>Experiences</span></a><br />Little websites everywhere \u00b7 Building sites by hand feels like a radical act today <a href=\"https://ilo.im/16ff90\"><span>https://</span><span>ilo.im/16ff90</span><span></span></a></p><p>_____<br /><a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Creativity\">#<span>Creativity</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/AI\">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Blogs\">#<span>Blogs</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Websites\">#<span>Websites</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Design\">#<span>Design</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/WebDesign\">#<span>WebDesign</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/WebDev\">#<span>WebDev</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Frontend\">#<span>Frontend</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/Backend\">#<span>Backend</span></a></p>",
        "text": "#Development #Experiences\nLittle websites everywhere \u00b7 Building sites by hand feels like a radical act today https://ilo.im/16ff90\n\n_____\n#Creativity #AI #Blogs #Websites #IndieWeb #Design #WebDesign #WebDev #Frontend #Backend"
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    "published": "2026-08-19T12:49:18+00:00",
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    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2026-08-19T11:18:16.042Z",
    "url": "https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:7qyy5u3bbm36rwp7cwddweg3/post/3mtgmbotric2q",
    "content": {
        "text": "I truly miss the olden days of the Internet: Port fucking strangers over DCC in IRC, Geocities, and not being corralled into these little pseudo realms of the Internet by algorithms.  I think Imma start my own webring. \n\n#OldInternet #IndieWeb #Webring #IRC #GeoCities #RetroWeb #PersonalWeb"
    },
    "author": {
        "type": "card",
        "name": "samthul.bsky.social",
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    "author": {
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    "url": "https://hachyderm.io/@liztai/117121749033575200",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Love that he is interviewing just normal folks and highlighting quirky personal blogs. As search engines are getting worse we need more people who are doing this to recommend personal websites. If you know anyone doing the same thing Zachary is doing, drop a comment!</p><p><a href=\"https://zacharykai.net/notes/pb/\"><span>https://</span><span>zacharykai.net/notes/pb/</span><span></span></a></p><p><a href=\"https://hachyderm.io/tags/blogging\">#<span>blogging</span></a> <a href=\"https://hachyderm.io/tags/linkdump\">#<span>linkdump</span></a> <a href=\"https://hachyderm.io/tags/links\">#<span>links</span></a> <a href=\"https://hachyderm.io/tags/blog\">#<span>blog</span></a> <a href=\"https://hachyderm.io/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
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    "_is_read": false
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
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    "url": "https://mastodon.social/@haltregister/117121144983298368",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Gradient Lab recorded papers 51 \u2192 67. The register cites the bay rather than asking anyone to go hunting. <a href=\"https://lab.srv1579310.hstgr.cloud/\"><span>https://</span><span>lab.srv1579310.hstgr.cloud/</span><span></span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/selfhosted\">#<span>selfhosted</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource\">#<span>opensource</span></a></p>",
        "text": "Gradient Lab recorded papers 51 \u2192 67. The register cites the bay rather than asking anyone to go hunting. https://lab.srv1579310.hstgr.cloud/ #indieweb #selfhosted #opensource"
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