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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@weirdwriter",
        "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter/111881394968477192",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>What using RSS feels like <a href=\"https://gilest.org/rss-feels.html\"><span>https://</span><span>gilest.org/rss-feels.html</span><span></span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/RSS\">#<span>RSS</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "What using RSS feels like https://gilest.org/rss-feels.html #RSS #IndieWeb"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-05T23:10:05+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40201395",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@xandra",
        "url": "https://tilde.zone/@xandra",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://tilde.zone/@xandra/111880477839682429",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>the 32-bit cafe is having a valentine's day event, and it starts today! there's a *ton* of ways to participate\u2014you can make a card from images, text, or code! you have until february 12th to submit!</p><p><a href=\"https://tilde.32bit.cafe/~ribose/events/valentines2024/\"><span>https://</span><span>tilde.32bit.cafe/~ribose/event</span><span>s/valentines2024/</span></a></p><p><a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/webdev\">#<span>webdev</span></a> <a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/codejam\">#<span>codejam</span></a> <a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/smallweb\">#<span>smallweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/internet\">#<span>internet</span></a> <a href=\"https://tilde.zone/tags/events\">#<span>events</span></a></p>",
        "text": "the 32-bit cafe is having a valentine's day event, and it starts today! there's a *ton* of ways to participate\u2014you can make a card from images, text, or code! you have until february 12th to submit!\n\nhttps://tilde.32bit.cafe/~ribose/events/valentines2024/\n\n#webdev #codejam #indieweb #smallweb #internet #events"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-05T19:16:51+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40199291",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@grgml",
        "url": "https://indieweb.social/@grgml",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://indieweb.social/@grgml/111879865226889857",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Bookmarks page is now live at <a href=\"https://grgml.xyz/bookmarks/\"><span>https://</span><span>grgml.xyz/bookmarks/</span><span></span></a> \ud83c\udf89 With microformats, bridgy-specific content for posting to mastodon, webmentions support and all that. This will probably be the feature that gets me to update my website most often, as I'll be adding lots of read/want-to-read links there.</p><p><a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/bookmarks\">#<span>bookmarks</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> (<a href=\"https://grgml.xyz/status/2024/2/5/\"><span>https://</span><span>grgml.xyz/status/2024/2/5/</span><span></span></a>)</p>",
        "text": "Bookmarks page is now live at https://grgml.xyz/bookmarks/ \ud83c\udf89 With microformats, bridgy-specific content for posting to mastodon, webmentions support and all that. This will probably be the feature that gets me to update my website most often, as I'll be adding lots of read/want-to-read links there.\n\n#bookmarks #indieweb (https://grgml.xyz/status/2024/2/5/)"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-05T16:41:03+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40197767",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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Jeremy Keith adactio.com

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    "type": "entry",
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    "url": "https://adactio.com/links/20851",
    "category": [
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        "brighton",
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        "text": "IndieWebCamp Brighton 2024 \u00b7 Paul Robert Lloyd\n\n\n\nThis is going to be a fun weekend!\n\n\n  Not got a personal website? Bring your laptop or mobile device, and we\u2019ll help you get setup so that you can publish somewhere you control and can make your own.\n  \n  Seasoned web developer? Learn about the different open web services, software and technologies that can help empower yourself and others to own their content and online identity.\n\n\nGrab your spot now!",
        "html": "<h3>\n<a class=\"p-name u-bookmark-of\" href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/\">\nIndieWebCamp Brighton 2024 \u00b7 Paul Robert Lloyd\n</a>\n</h3>\n\n<p>This is going to be a fun weekend!</p>\n\n<blockquote>\n  <p>Not got a personal website? Bring your laptop or mobile device, and we\u2019ll help you get setup so that you can publish somewhere you control and can make your own.</p>\n  \n  <p>Seasoned web developer? Learn about the different open web services, software and technologies that can help empower yourself and others to own their content and online identity.</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n<p><a href=\"https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024\">Grab your spot now</a>!</p>"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
        "name": "Jeremy Keith",
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    "post-type": "bookmark",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@weirdwriter",
        "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter/111878390162006357",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Nice to see newer blogging platforms providing a blog by email option! Keep it up! <a href=\"https://posthaven.com/features\"><span>https://</span><span>posthaven.com/features</span><span></span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/Email\">#<span>Email</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/Blog\">#<span>Blog</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/Blogs\">#<span>Blogs</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "Nice to see newer blogging platforms providing a blog by email option! Keep it up! https://posthaven.com/features #Email #Blog #Blogs #IndieWeb"
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    "published": "2024-02-05T10:25:56+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40194510",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@julian",
        "url": "https://social.synesthesia.co.uk/@julian",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://social.synesthesia.co.uk/@julian/111878232258249515",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Reply to 'A RSS Feed For My Mastodon Bookmarks'<br /><a href=\"https://social.synesthesia.co.uk/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a><br /> An excellent idea from @ton ! Adapting it for my own context I can see two possible options - either pull the bookmarks from Mastodon into bookmark entries on this blog, or post to Diigo as new bookmarks. Probably the latter as I am fairly liberal in what I bookmark on Mastodon.<br /><a href=\"https://www.synesthesia.co.uk/stream/reply-to-a-rss-feed-for-my-mastodon-bookmarks/\"><span>https://www.</span><span>synesthesia.co.uk/stream/reply</span><span>-to-a-rss-feed-for-my-mastodon-bookmarks/</span></a></p>",
        "text": "Reply to 'A RSS Feed For My Mastodon Bookmarks'\n#IndieWeb\n An excellent idea from @ton ! Adapting it for my own context I can see two possible options - either pull the bookmarks from Mastodon into bookmark entries on this blog, or post to Diigo as new bookmarks. Probably the latter as I am fairly liberal in what I bookmark on Mastodon.\nhttps://www.synesthesia.co.uk/stream/reply-to-a-rss-feed-for-my-mastodon-bookmarks/"
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    "published": "2024-02-05T09:45:46+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40194375",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@weirdwriter",
        "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://tweesecake.social/@weirdwriter/111878107409699053",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Reminder that I write about a lot of stuff, blindness, life stuff, my author news. I never stick to 1 topic so if you wanna follow, my RSS feed is <a href=\"https://robertkingett.com/feed/\"><span>https://</span><span>robertkingett.com/feed/</span><span></span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/RSS\">#<span>RSS</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/Blog\">#<span>Blog</span></a> <a href=\"https://tweesecake.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "Reminder that I write about a lot of stuff, blindness, life stuff, my author news. I never stick to 1 topic so if you wanna follow, my RSS feed is https://robertkingett.com/feed/ #RSS #Blog #IndieWeb"
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    "published": "2024-02-05T09:14:01+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40194231",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@links",
        "url": "https://social.bacardi55.io/@links",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://social.bacardi55.io/@links/statuses/01HNW874BF7MGQQVZJR9T21Q39",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>[New Shared Link] - <a href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/tags/indieweb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a> fediwall<br /><br /><a href=\"https://stream.indieweb.org/\">https://stream.indieweb.org/</a><br /><a href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/tags/fediverse\">#<span>fediverse</span></a><br /><a href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a><br /><a href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/tags/indiestream\">#<span>indiestream</span></a><br /><br />cc <span class=\"h-card\"><a class=\"u-url\" href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/@bacardi55\">@<span>bacardi55</span></a></span></p>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://social.bacardi55.io/@bacardi55\"></a>",
        "text": "[New Shared Link] - #IndieWeb fediwall\n\nhttps://stream.indieweb.org/\n#fediverse\n#indieweb\n#indiestream\n\ncc @bacardi55"
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    "published": "2024-02-05T09:05:04+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40194232",
    "_source": "8007",
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Tantek Çelik tantek.com

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    "type": "entry",
    "published": "2024-02-04 20:08-0800",
    "url": "http://tantek.com/2024/035/t2/indiewebcamp-brighton-tickets-available",
    "category": [
        "Brighton",
        "London",
        "England",
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        "100Posts",
        "IndieWeb"
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        "text": "#Brighton #London and other #England & #Europe friends:\n\n\ud83c\udfaa #IndieWebCamp Brighton tickets are available!\n\ud83c\udf9f https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024\n\ud83d\uddd3 2024-03-09\u202610\n\ud83c\udfe2 The Skiff, Brighton, England\n\ud83c\udf10 https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton\n\nGrab an in-person ticket (limited capacity) then optionally add yourself to the list of participants: https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person\n\nFor more information, see organizer @paulrobertlloyd.com (@paulrobertlloyd@mastodon.social)\u2019s post: https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/\n\n\nAlso check out @ClearLeft.com (@clearleft@mastodon.social @clearleft)\u2019s \u201cPatterns Day\u201d (https://patternsday.com/) in Brighton the Thursday (2024-03-07) beforehand!\n\n\nPreviously: https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned\n\n\nThis is post 9 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #IndieWeb\n\n\u2190 https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon\n\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e",
        "html": "#<span class=\"p-category\">Brighton</span> #<span class=\"p-category\">London</span> and other #<span class=\"p-category\">England</span> &amp; #<span class=\"p-category\">Europe</span> friends:<br /><br />\ud83c\udfaa #<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWebCamp</span> Brighton tickets are available!<br />\ud83c\udf9f <a href=\"https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024\">https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024</a><br />\ud83d\uddd3 2024-03-09\u202610<br />\ud83c\udfe2 The Skiff, Brighton, England<br />\ud83c\udf10 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton\">https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton</a><br /><br />Grab an in-person ticket (limited capacity) then optionally add yourself to the list of participants: <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person\">https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person</a><br /><br />For more information, see organizer <a href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com\">@paulrobertlloyd.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mastodon.social/@paulrobertlloyd\">@paulrobertlloyd@mastodon.social</a>)\u2019s post: <a href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/\">https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/</a><br /><br /><br />Also check out <a href=\"https://ClearLeft.com\">@ClearLeft.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mastodon.social/@clearleft\">@clearleft@mastodon.social</a> <a class=\"h-cassis-username\" href=\"https://twitter.com/clearleft\">@clearleft</a>)\u2019s \u201cPatterns Day\u201d (<a href=\"https://patternsday.com/\">https://patternsday.com/</a>) in Brighton the Thursday (2024-03-07) beforehand!<br /><br /><br />Previously: <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned\">https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned</a><br /><br /><br />This is post 9 of #<span class=\"p-category\">100PostsOfIndieWeb</span>. #<span class=\"p-category\">100Posts</span> #<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWeb</span><br /><br />\u2190 <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon\">https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon</a><br />\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "#indieweb",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://www.ciccarello.me/blog/2024/02/05/indiewebcamp-san-diego-2023/",
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        "html": "<p>IndieWebCamp San Diego 2023</p><p><a href=\"https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://www.ciccarello.me/blog/2024/02/05/indiewebcamp-san-diego-2023/\"><span>https://</span><span>fed.brid.gy/r/https://www.cicc</span><span>arello.me/blog/2024/02/05/indiewebcamp-san-diego-2023/</span></a></p>",
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    "type": "entry",
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        "name": "#indieweb",
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    "url": "https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/2024/035/t2/indiewebcamp-brighton-tickets-available",
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        "html": "<a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Brighton\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Brighton</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/London\">#<span class=\"p-category\">London</span></a> and other <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/England\">#<span class=\"p-category\">England</span></a> &amp; <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Europe\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Europe</span></a> friends:<br /><br />\ud83c\udfaa <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/IndieWebCamp\">#<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWebCamp</span></a> Brighton tickets are available!<br />\ud83c\udf9f <a href=\"https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024\">https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024</a><br />\ud83d\uddd3 2024-03-09\u202610<br />\ud83c\udfe2 The Skiff, Brighton, England<br />\ud83c\udf10 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton\">https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton</a><br /><br />Grab an in-person ticket (limited capacity) then optionally add yourself to the list of participants: <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person\">https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person</a><br /><br />For more information, see organizer <a href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com\">@paulrobertlloyd.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mastodon.social/@paulrobertlloyd\">@paulrobertlloyd@mastodon.social</a>)\u2019s post: <a href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/\">https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/</a><br /><br /><br />Also check out <a href=\"https://ClearLeft.com\">@ClearLeft.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mastodon.social/@clearleft\">@clearleft@mastodon.social</a> <a class=\"h-cassis-username\" href=\"https://twitter.com/clearleft\">@clearleft</a>)\u2019s \u201cPatterns Day\u201d (<a href=\"https://patternsday.com/\">https://patternsday.com/</a>) in Brighton the Thursday (2024-03-07) beforehand!<br /><br /><br />Previously: <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned\">https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned</a><br /><br /><br />This is post 9 of <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100PostsOfIndieWeb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100PostsOfIndieWeb</span></a>. <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100Posts\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100Posts</span></a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWeb</span></a><br /><br />\u2190 <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon\">https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon</a><br />\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://ClearLeft.com\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://mastodon.social/@clearleft\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://mastodon.social/@paulrobertlloyd\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://paulrobertlloyd.com\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://twitter.com/clearleft\"></a>",
        "text": "#Brighton #London and other #England & #Europe friends:\n\n\ud83c\udfaa #IndieWebCamp Brighton tickets are available!\n\ud83c\udf9f https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/brighton-2024\n\ud83d\uddd3 2024-03-09\u202610\n\ud83c\udfe2 The Skiff, Brighton, England\n\ud83c\udf10 https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton\n\nGrab an in-person ticket (limited capacity) then optionally add yourself to the list of participants: https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton#In_person\n\nFor more information, see organizer @paulrobertlloyd.com (@paulrobertlloyd@mastodon.social)\u2019s post: https://paulrobertlloyd.com/2024/032/a1/indiewebcamp_brighton/\n\n\nAlso check out @ClearLeft.com (@clearleft@mastodon.social @clearleft)\u2019s \u201cPatterns Day\u201d (https://patternsday.com/) in Brighton the Thursday (2024-03-07) beforehand!\n\n\nPreviously: https://tantek.com/2024/022/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-planned\n\n\nThis is post 9 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #IndieWeb\n\n\u2190 https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon\n\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e"
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    "published": "2024-02-05T04:08:00+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40193257",
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    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@ratika",
        "url": "https://scicomm.xyz/@ratika",
        "photo": null
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    "url": "https://scicomm.xyz/@ratika/111876787387827700",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>From yesterday, one of my most favorite things I've written recently:</p><p><a href=\"https://chavanniclass.wordpress.com/2024/02/04/err-on-the-side-of-publishing/\"><span>https://</span><span>chavanniclass.wordpress.com/20</span><span>24/02/04/err-on-the-side-of-publishing/</span></a></p><p><a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/blog\">#<span>blog</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/blogging\">#<span>blogging</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/writing\">#<span>writing</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/publishing\">#<span>publishing</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/WritingCommunity\">#<span>WritingCommunity</span></a> <a href=\"https://scicomm.xyz/tags/inspiration\">#<span>inspiration</span></a></p>",
        "text": "From yesterday, one of my most favorite things I've written recently:\n\nhttps://chavanniclass.wordpress.com/2024/02/04/err-on-the-side-of-publishing/\n\n#blog #blogging #writing #IndieWeb #publishing #WritingCommunity #inspiration"
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        "html": "Similar to <a href=\"https://paulgraham.com\">@paulgraham.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mas.to/@paulg\">@paulg@mas.to</a> <a class=\"h-cassis-username\" href=\"https://twitter.com/paulg\">@paulg</a>)\u2019s 2008 observation about trolls<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-1\">\u00b9</a>, there\u2019s a sort of Gresham's Law of developers (vs users): developers are willing to use a forum with a lot of users in it, but users aren\u2019t willing to use a forum with a lot of developer-speak.<br /><br />Whether such forums are email lists, chat (IRC, <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Matrix\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Matrix</span></a>, <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Slack\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Slack</span></a>, <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/Discord\">#<span class=\"p-category\">Discord</span></a>), or, well, online forums (#Reddit, <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/HackerNews\">#<span class=\"p-category\">HackerNews</span></a>), when discussions either start or shift into technical details, jargon, or acronyms, users (in a very broad sense) tend to stop participating, and sometimes leave, never to return.<br /><br />Users in this context are anyone with a desire (or a preference) not to chat or even be bothered spending time reading about technical plumbing &amp; <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/jargon\">#<span class=\"p-category\">jargon</span></a>, and see such discussions as a distraction at best, and more like noise to be avoided.<br /><br />Paraphrasing Paul Graham again: once technical details, jargon, acronyms \u201ctake hold, it tends to become the dominant culture\u201d and discourages users from showing up, discussing user-centric topics, or even staying in said forum.<br /><br /><br />The <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWeb</span></a> community started in 2011 as a single <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indiewebcamp\">#<span class=\"p-category\">indiewebcamp</span></a> IRC channel (no email list<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-2\">\u00b2</a>) because it was tightly coupled to IndieWebCamp events, which were both highly technical and yet focused on actually making things work on your personal site that you need<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-3\">\u00b3</a>, that you will use<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-4\">\u2074</a> yourself. Conversations bridged real world use-cases and technical details.<br /><br />It only took us five years after the first IndieWebCamp in Portland to recognize that the community had grown beyond the events, and had a clear need for a separate place for deep discussions of developer topics.<br /><br />As part of renaming the community from IndieWebCamp to IndieWeb<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-5\">\u2075</a>, we created the <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb-dev\">#<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb-dev</span></a> (dev) channel for such technical topics like protocols, formats, tools, coding libraries, APIs, and any other acronyms or jargon.<br /><br />The community did a good job of keeping technical topics in the dev channel, and encouraging new folks in the main <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb</span></a> channel who started technical conversations to continue them in the dev channel. <br /><br />Still, it was too easy for user-centric topics to veer into technical territory. It often felt more natural to continue a thread in the channel it started rather than break to another channel. There was also a need for regular community labor to nudge developer conversations to the developer chat channel.<br /><br /><br />We had already started documenting IndieWeb related jargon<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-6\">\u2076</a> on the wiki and turned it into a MediaWiki Category so we could tag individual pages as jargon and have them automatically show-up in a list. Soon after, <a href=\"https://aaronparecki.com\">@aaronparecki.com</a> (<a href=\"https://aaronparecki.com/@aaronpk\">@aaronpk@aaronparecki.com</a>) added a heuristic to the friendly channel bot Loqi to recognize when people started using jargon in the main IndieWeb chat channel and nudge<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-7\">\u2077</a> them to the development channel.<br /><br />Having Loqi do some of the gentle nudging has helped, though it\u2018s still quite easy for even the experienced folks in the community to get drawn into a developer conversation on main as it were.<br /><br />We\u2019ve documented both a summary and lengthier descriptions of channel purposes<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-8\">\u2078</a> which help us remind each other, as well as provide a guide to newcomers.<br /><br />Both experienced community members and newcomers share much of the user-centric focus of the IndieWeb, the IndieWeb being for everyone<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-9\">\u2079</a>, whether developer, hobbyist, or someone who wants an independent presence on the web without bothering with technical details. Whether some of us want to code or not, we all want to use our IndieWeb sites to express ourselves on the web, to use our sites instead of depending on social media silos. That shared purpose keeps us focused.<br /><br />It takes a village: eternal community vigilance is the price of staying user-centric and welcoming to newcomers.<br /><br />The ideas behind this post were originally shared in the IndieWeb meta chat channel.<a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_note-10\">\u00b9\u2070</a><br /><br /><br />This is post 8 of <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100PostsOfIndieWeb\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100PostsOfIndieWeb</span></a>. <a href=\"https://indieweb.social/tags/100Posts\">#<span class=\"p-category\">100Posts</span></a><br /><br />\u2190 <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/033/t1/earthquake-sanfrancisco-shifted\">https://tantek.com/2024/033/t1/earthquake-sanfrancisco-shifted</a><br />\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e<br /><br /><br />Post glossary:<br /><br />development channel (indieweb-dev)<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#dev\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#dev</a><br />Discord<br 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href=\"https://indieweb.org/rename_to_IndieWeb\">https://indieweb.org/rename_to_IndieWeb</a><br /><a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_ref-6\">\u2076</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/jargon\">https://indieweb.org/jargon</a><br /><a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_ref-7\">\u2077</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#Loqi_Nudge\">https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#Loqi_Nudge</a><br /><a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_ref-8\">\u2078</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes</a><br /><a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_ref-9\">\u2079</a> <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/026/t3/indieweb-for-everyone-internet-of-people\">https://tantek.com/2024/026/t3/indieweb-for-everyone-internet-of-people</a><br /><a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/035/t1/greshams-law-developers-users-jargon#t5VH1_ref-10\">\u00b9\u2070</a> <a href=\"https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800\">https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800</a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://aaronparecki.com\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://aaronparecki.com/@aaronpk\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://mas.to/@paulg\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://paulgraham.com\"></a>\n<a class=\"u-mention\" href=\"https://twitter.com/paulg\"></a>",
        "text": "Similar to @paulgraham.com (@paulg@mas.to @paulg)\u2019s 2008 observation about trolls\u00b9, there\u2019s a sort of Gresham's Law of developers (vs users): developers are willing to use a forum with a lot of users in it, but users aren\u2019t willing to use a forum with a lot of developer-speak.\n\nWhether such forums are email lists, chat (IRC, #Matrix, #Slack, #Discord), or, well, online forums (#Reddit, #HackerNews), when discussions either start or shift into technical details, jargon, or acronyms, users (in a very broad sense) tend to stop participating, and sometimes leave, never to return.\n\nUsers in this context are anyone with a desire (or a preference) not to chat or even be bothered spending time reading about technical plumbing & #jargon, and see such discussions as a distraction at best, and more like noise to be avoided.\n\nParaphrasing Paul Graham again: once technical details, jargon, acronyms \u201ctake hold, it tends to become the dominant culture\u201d and discourages users from showing up, discussing user-centric topics, or even staying in said forum.\n\n\nThe #IndieWeb community started in 2011 as a single #indiewebcamp IRC channel (no email list\u00b2) because it was tightly coupled to IndieWebCamp events, which were both highly technical and yet focused on actually making things work on your personal site that you need\u00b3, that you will use\u2074 yourself. Conversations bridged real world use-cases and technical details.\n\nIt only took us five years after the first IndieWebCamp in Portland to recognize that the community had grown beyond the events, and had a clear need for a separate place for deep discussions of developer topics.\n\nAs part of renaming the community from IndieWebCamp to IndieWeb\u2075, we created the #indieweb-dev (dev) channel for such technical topics like protocols, formats, tools, coding libraries, APIs, and any other acronyms or jargon.\n\nThe community did a good job of keeping technical topics in the dev channel, and encouraging new folks in the main #indieweb channel who started technical conversations to continue them in the dev channel. \n\nStill, it was too easy for user-centric topics to veer into technical territory. It often felt more natural to continue a thread in the channel it started rather than break to another channel. There was also a need for regular community labor to nudge developer conversations to the developer chat channel.\n\n\nWe had already started documenting IndieWeb related jargon\u2076 on the wiki and turned it into a MediaWiki Category so we could tag individual pages as jargon and have them automatically show-up in a list. Soon after, @aaronparecki.com (@aaronpk@aaronparecki.com) added a heuristic to the friendly channel bot Loqi to recognize when people started using jargon in the main IndieWeb chat channel and nudge\u2077 them to the development channel.\n\nHaving Loqi do some of the gentle nudging has helped, though it\u2018s still quite easy for even the experienced folks in the community to get drawn into a developer conversation on main as it were.\n\nWe\u2019ve documented both a summary and lengthier descriptions of channel purposes\u2078 which help us remind each other, as well as provide a guide to newcomers.\n\nBoth experienced community members and newcomers share much of the user-centric focus of the IndieWeb, the IndieWeb being for everyone\u2079, whether developer, hobbyist, or someone who wants an independent presence on the web without bothering with technical details. Whether some of us want to code or not, we all want to use our IndieWeb sites to express ourselves on the web, to use our sites instead of depending on social media silos. 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        "text": "Similar to @paulgraham.com (@paulg@mas.to @paulg)\u2019s 2008 observation about trolls\u00b9, there\u2019s a sort of Gresham's Law of developers (vs users): developers are willing to use a forum with a lot of users in it, but users aren\u2019t willing to use a forum with a lot of developer-speak.\n\nWhether such forums are email lists, chat (IRC, #Matrix, #Slack, #Discord), or, well, online forums (#Reddit, #HackerNews), when discussions either start or shift into technical details, jargon, or acronyms, users (in a very broad sense) tend to stop participating, and sometimes leave, never to return.\n\nUsers in this context are anyone with a desire (or a preference) not to chat or even be bothered spending time reading about technical plumbing & #jargon, and see such discussions as a distraction at best, and more like noise to be avoided.\n\nParaphrasing Paul Graham again: once technical details, jargon, acronyms \u201ctake hold, it tends to become the dominant culture\u201d and discourages users from showing up, discussing user-centric topics, or even staying in said forum.\n\n\nThe #IndieWeb community started in 2011 as a single #indiewebcamp IRC channel (no email list\u00b2) because it was tightly coupled to IndieWebCamp events, which were both highly technical and yet focused on actually making things work on your personal site that you need\u00b3, that you will use\u2074 yourself. Conversations bridged real world use-cases and technical details.\n\nIt only took us five years after the first IndieWebCamp in Portland to recognize that the community had grown beyond the events, and had a clear need for a separate place for deep discussions of developer topics.\n\nAs part of renaming the community from IndieWebCamp to IndieWeb\u2075, we created the #indieweb-dev (dev) channel for such technical topics like protocols, formats, tools, coding libraries, APIs, and any other acronyms or jargon.\n\nThe community did a good job of keeping technical topics in the dev channel, and encouraging new folks in the main #indieweb channel who started technical conversations to continue them in the dev channel. \n\nStill, it was too easy for user-centric topics to veer into technical territory. It often felt more natural to continue a thread in the channel it started rather than break to another channel. There was also a need for regular community labor to nudge developer conversations to the developer chat channel.\n\n\nWe had already started documenting IndieWeb related jargon\u2076 on the wiki and turned it into a MediaWiki Category so we could tag individual pages as jargon and have them automatically show-up in a list. Soon after, @aaronparecki.com (@aaronpk@aaronparecki.com) added a heuristic to the friendly channel bot Loqi to recognize when people started using jargon in the main IndieWeb chat channel and nudge\u2077 them to the development channel.\n\nHaving Loqi do some of the gentle nudging has helped, though it\u2018s still quite easy for even the experienced folks in the community to get drawn into a developer conversation on main as it were.\n\nWe\u2019ve documented both a summary and lengthier descriptions of channel purposes\u2078 which help us remind each other, as well as provide a guide to newcomers.\n\nBoth experienced community members and newcomers share much of the user-centric focus of the IndieWeb, the IndieWeb being for everyone\u2079, whether developer, hobbyist, or someone who wants an independent presence on the web without bothering with technical details. Whether some of us want to code or not, we all want to use our IndieWeb sites to express ourselves on the web, to use our sites instead of depending on social media silos. That shared purpose keeps us focused.\n\nIt takes a village: eternal community vigilance is the price of staying user-centric and welcoming to newcomers.\n\nThe ideas behind this post were originally shared in the IndieWeb meta chat channel.\u00b9\u2070\n\n\nThis is post 8 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts\n\n\u2190 https://tantek.com/2024/033/t1/earthquake-sanfrancisco-shifted\n\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e\n\n\nPost glossary:\n\ndevelopment channel (indieweb-dev)\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/discuss#dev\nDiscord\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Discord\nformat\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/format\nHacker News (HN)\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Hacker_News\nIndieWeb\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb\nIndieWebCamp\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp\nIRC\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/IRC\njargon\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/jargon\nLoqi\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Loqi\nmain IndieWeb chat channel (on main)\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/discuss#indieweb\nMatrix\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Matrix\nmeta chat channel\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/discuss#meta\nMediaWiki Category\n\u00a0 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Categories\nplumbing\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/plumbing\nprotocol\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/protocol\nReddit\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Reddit\ntools\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/tools\nSlack\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/Slack\nsocial media silos\n\u00a0 https://indieweb.org/silos\n\n\n\u00b9 https://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html (2008 essay, HN still succumbed to trolling)\n\u00b2 https://indieweb.org/discuss#Email\n\u00b3 https://indieweb.org/make_what_you_need\n\u2074 https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make\n\u2075 https://indieweb.org/rename_to_IndieWeb\n\u2076 https://indieweb.org/jargon\n\u2077 https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#Loqi_Nudge\n\u2078 https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes\n\u2079 https://tantek.com/2024/026/t3/indieweb-for-everyone-internet-of-people\n\u00b9\u2070 https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800",
        "html": "Similar to <a href=\"https://paulgraham.com\">@paulgraham.com</a> (<a href=\"https://mas.to/@paulg\">@paulg@mas.to</a> <a class=\"h-cassis-username\" href=\"https://twitter.com/paulg\">@paulg</a>)\u2019s 2008 observation about trolls<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-1\">\u00b9</a>, there\u2019s a sort of Gresham's Law of developers (vs users): developers are willing to use a forum with a lot of users in it, but users aren\u2019t willing to use a forum with a lot of developer-speak.<br /><br />Whether such forums are email lists, chat (IRC, #<span class=\"p-category\">Matrix</span>, #<span class=\"p-category\">Slack</span>, #<span class=\"p-category\">Discord</span>), or, well, online forums (#Reddit, #<span class=\"p-category\">HackerNews</span>), when discussions either start or shift into technical details, jargon, or acronyms, users (in a very broad sense) tend to stop participating, and sometimes leave, never to return.<br /><br />Users in this context are anyone with a desire (or a preference) not to chat or even be bothered spending time reading about technical plumbing &amp; #<span class=\"p-category\">jargon</span>, and see such discussions as a distraction at best, and more like noise to be avoided.<br /><br />Paraphrasing Paul Graham again: once technical details, jargon, acronyms \u201ctake hold, it tends to become the dominant culture\u201d and discourages users from showing up, discussing user-centric topics, or even staying in said forum.<br /><br /><br />The #<span class=\"p-category\">IndieWeb</span> community started in 2011 as a single #<span class=\"p-category\">indiewebcamp</span> IRC channel (no email list<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-2\">\u00b2</a>) because it was tightly coupled to IndieWebCamp events, which were both highly technical and yet focused on actually making things work on your personal site that you need<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-3\">\u00b3</a>, that you will use<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-4\">\u2074</a> yourself. Conversations bridged real world use-cases and technical details.<br /><br />It only took us five years after the first IndieWebCamp in Portland to recognize that the community had grown beyond the events, and had a clear need for a separate place for deep discussions of developer topics.<br /><br />As part of renaming the community from IndieWebCamp to IndieWeb<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-5\">\u2075</a>, we created the #<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb-dev</span> (dev) channel for such technical topics like protocols, formats, tools, coding libraries, APIs, and any other acronyms or jargon.<br /><br />The community did a good job of keeping technical topics in the dev channel, and encouraging new folks in the main #<span class=\"p-category\">indieweb</span> channel who started technical conversations to continue them in the dev channel. <br /><br />Still, it was too easy for user-centric topics to veer into technical territory. It often felt more natural to continue a thread in the channel it started rather than break to another channel. There was also a need for regular community labor to nudge developer conversations to the developer chat channel.<br /><br /><br />We had already started documenting IndieWeb related jargon<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-6\">\u2076</a> on the wiki and turned it into a MediaWiki Category so we could tag individual pages as jargon and have them automatically show-up in a list. Soon after, <a href=\"https://aaronparecki.com\">@aaronparecki.com</a> (<a href=\"https://aaronparecki.com/@aaronpk\">@aaronpk@aaronparecki.com</a>) added a heuristic to the friendly channel bot Loqi to recognize when people started using jargon in the main IndieWeb chat channel and nudge<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-7\">\u2077</a> them to the development channel.<br /><br />Having Loqi do some of the gentle nudging has helped, though it\u2018s still quite easy for even the experienced folks in the community to get drawn into a developer conversation on main as it were.<br /><br />We\u2019ve documented both a summary and lengthier descriptions of channel purposes<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-8\">\u2078</a> which help us remind each other, as well as provide a guide to newcomers.<br /><br />Both experienced community members and newcomers share much of the user-centric focus of the IndieWeb, the IndieWeb being for everyone<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-9\">\u2079</a>, whether developer, hobbyist, or someone who wants an independent presence on the web without bothering with technical details. Whether some of us want to code or not, we all want to use our IndieWeb sites to express ourselves on the web, to use our sites instead of depending on social media silos. That shared purpose keeps us focused.<br /><br />It takes a village: eternal community vigilance is the price of staying user-centric and welcoming to newcomers.<br /><br />The ideas behind this post were originally shared in the IndieWeb meta chat channel.<a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_note-10\">\u00b9\u2070</a><br /><br /><br />This is post 8 of #<span class=\"p-category\">100PostsOfIndieWeb</span>. #<span class=\"p-category\">100Posts</span><br /><br />\u2190 <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/033/t1/earthquake-sanfrancisco-shifted\">https://tantek.com/2024/033/t1/earthquake-sanfrancisco-shifted</a><br />\u2192 \ud83d\udd2e<br /><br /><br />Post glossary:<br /><br />development channel (indieweb-dev)<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#dev\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#dev</a><br />Discord<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Discord\">https://indieweb.org/Discord</a><br />format<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/format\">https://indieweb.org/format</a><br />Hacker News (HN)<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Hacker_News\">https://indieweb.org/Hacker_News</a><br />IndieWeb<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb\">https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb</a><br />IndieWebCamp<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp\">https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp</a><br />IRC<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/IRC\">https://indieweb.org/IRC</a><br />jargon<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/jargon\">https://indieweb.org/jargon</a><br />Loqi<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Loqi\">https://indieweb.org/Loqi</a><br />main IndieWeb chat channel (on main)<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#indieweb\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#indieweb</a><br />Matrix<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Matrix\">https://indieweb.org/Matrix</a><br />meta chat channel<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#meta\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#meta</a><br />MediaWiki Category<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Categories\">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Categories</a><br />plumbing<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/plumbing\">https://indieweb.org/plumbing</a><br />protocol<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/protocol\">https://indieweb.org/protocol</a><br />Reddit<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Reddit\">https://indieweb.org/Reddit</a><br />tools<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/tools\">https://indieweb.org/tools</a><br />Slack<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Slack\">https://indieweb.org/Slack</a><br />social media silos<br />\u00a0 <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/silos\">https://indieweb.org/silos</a><br /><br /><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-1\">\u00b9</a> <a href=\"https://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html\">https://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html</a> (2008 essay, HN still succumbed to trolling)<br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-2\">\u00b2</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#Email\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#Email</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-3\">\u00b3</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/make_what_you_need\">https://indieweb.org/make_what_you_need</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-4\">\u2074</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make\">https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-5\">\u2075</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/rename_to_IndieWeb\">https://indieweb.org/rename_to_IndieWeb</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-6\">\u2076</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/jargon\">https://indieweb.org/jargon</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-7\">\u2077</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#Loqi_Nudge\">https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#Loqi_Nudge</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-8\">\u2078</a> <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes\">https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-9\">\u2079</a> <a href=\"https://tantek.com/2024/026/t3/indieweb-for-everyone-internet-of-people\">https://tantek.com/2024/026/t3/indieweb-for-everyone-internet-of-people</a><br /><a href=\"http://tantek.com/#t5VH1_ref-10\">\u00b9\u2070</a> <a href=\"https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800\">https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-01-22#t1705883690759800</a>"
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    "author": {
        "type": "card",
        "name": "Tantek \u00c7elik",
        "url": "http://tantek.com/",
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@nejimaki",
        "url": "https://famichiki.jp/@nejimaki",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://famichiki.jp/@nejimaki/111875754369429548",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p><a href=\"https://onezero.medium.com/why-the-weird-internet-of-the-geocities-era-had-to-die-383f2870662c\"><span>https://</span><span>onezero.medium.com/why-the-wei</span><span>rd-internet-of-the-geocities-era-had-to-die-383f2870662c</span></a> <a href=\"https://famichiki.jp/tags/web\">#<span>web</span></a> <a href=\"https://famichiki.jp/tags/Internet\">#<span>Internet</span></a> <a href=\"https://famichiki.jp/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "https://onezero.medium.com/why-the-weird-internet-of-the-geocities-era-had-to-die-383f2870662c #web #Internet #indieweb"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-04T23:15:37+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40191274",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@jcrabapple",
        "url": "https://dmv.community/@jcrabapple",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://dmv.community/@jcrabapple/111875503752695503",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>New blog post!</p><p>How I Got Started In Tech - Cool As Heck</p><p><a href=\"https://cool-as-heck.blog/posts/how-i-got-started-in-tech\"><span>https://</span><span>cool-as-heck.blog/posts/how-i-</span><span>got-started-in-tech</span></a></p><p><a href=\"https://dmv.community/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "New blog post!\n\nHow I Got Started In Tech - Cool As Heck\n\nhttps://cool-as-heck.blog/posts/how-i-got-started-in-tech\n\n#indieweb"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-04T22:11:53+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40190936",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@hamatti",
        "url": "https://mastodon.world/@hamatti",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://mastodon.world/@hamatti/111875193224479331",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>I'm finding myself way overthinking this month's <a href=\"https://mastodon.world/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a> Carnival post. I love the topic and I have now written two versions of my blog post but for some reason, it doesn't feel good. The post just doesn't flow in a way I want it to flow.</p><p>I'm being way more critical about it than any of my regular blog posts for some reason.</p><p><a href=\"https://mastodon.world/tags/blogging\">#<span>blogging</span></a> <a href=\"https://mastodon.world/tags/writing\">#<span>writing</span></a> </p><p>(IndieWeb Carnival is a monthly blogging thing, see <a href=\"https://indieweb.org/indieweb-carnival\"><span>https://</span><span>indieweb.org/indieweb-carnival</span><span></span></a> for general info and <a href=\"https://manuelmoreale.com/indieweb-carnival-digital-relationships\"><span>https://</span><span>manuelmoreale.com/indieweb-car</span><span>nival-digital-relationships</span></a> for this month's theme)</p>",
        "text": "I'm finding myself way overthinking this month's #IndieWeb Carnival post. I love the topic and I have now written two versions of my blog post but for some reason, it doesn't feel good. The post just doesn't flow in a way I want it to flow.\n\nI'm being way more critical about it than any of my regular blog posts for some reason.\n\n#blogging #writing \n\n(IndieWeb Carnival is a monthly blogging thing, see https://indieweb.org/indieweb-carnival for general info and https://manuelmoreale.com/indieweb-carnival-digital-relationships for this month's theme)"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-04T20:52:54+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40190460",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
}

{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@karen",
        "url": "https://m.chronosaur.us/@karen",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://m.chronosaur.us/@karen/111874903340739038",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>Got a <a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/blog\">#<span>blog</span></a> ?  Let me know, I'll read it.</p><p><a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> <a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/wordpress\">#<span>wordpress</span></a> <a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/website\">#<span>website</span></a> <a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/personalsites\">#<span>personalsites</span></a> <a href=\"https://m.chronosaur.us/tags/illreadit\">#<span>illreadit</span></a> </p><p><a href=\"https://chronosaur.us/2024/02/04/ill-read-it/\"><span>https://</span><span>chronosaur.us/2024/02/04/ill-r</span><span>ead-it/</span></a></p>",
        "text": "Got a #blog ?  Let me know, I'll read it.\n\n#indieweb #wordpress #website #personalsites #illreadit \n\nhttps://chronosaur.us/2024/02/04/ill-read-it/"
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    "published": "2024-02-04T19:39:11+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40190155",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
}

{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@lars",
        "url": "https://mastodon.social/@lars",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://mastodon.social/@lars/111874899795836774",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>ICYMI: Mechanical watches and Apple Watch-es, WordPress and HTML &amp; CSS (and a bit of <a href=\"https://mastodon.social/tags/indieweb\">#<span>indieweb</span></a> to spruce it up) all featured in my newest blog post: </p><p><a href=\"https://lars-christian.com/craftsmanship-and-compulsion/\"><span>https://</span><span>lars-christian.com/craftsmansh</span><span>ip-and-compulsion/</span></a></p><p>It's the latest outcome of my newly formed daily writing habit. The morning I wrote the first half of this was, by far, my best writing experience so far.</p>",
        "text": "ICYMI: Mechanical watches and Apple Watch-es, WordPress and HTML & CSS (and a bit of #indieweb to spruce it up) all featured in my newest blog post: \n\nhttps://lars-christian.com/craftsmanship-and-compulsion/\n\nIt's the latest outcome of my newly formed daily writing habit. The morning I wrote the first half of this was, by far, my best writing experience so far."
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    "published": "2024-02-04T19:38:17+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40190156",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
}

{
    "type": "entry",
    "author": {
        "name": "@mikehaynes",
        "url": "https://social.lol/@mikehaynes",
        "photo": null
    },
    "url": "https://social.lol/@mikehaynes/111874586908311706",
    "content": {
        "html": "<p>I have this idea banging around in my head of an IndieWeb search engine, combined with a Fraidycat-style website feed/update tracker (that links directly to the site/post, not to a reader view), combined with a webring-style persistent navigation keeping it all together and I need someone to either help me make it or tell me I'm crazy. Maybe both. <a href=\"https://social.lol/tags/Design\">#<span>Design</span></a> <a href=\"https://social.lol/tags/IndieWeb\">#<span>IndieWeb</span></a></p>",
        "text": "I have this idea banging around in my head of an IndieWeb search engine, combined with a Fraidycat-style website feed/update tracker (that links directly to the site/post, not to a reader view), combined with a webring-style persistent navigation keeping it all together and I need someone to either help me make it or tell me I'm crazy. Maybe both. #Design #IndieWeb"
    },
    "published": "2024-02-04T18:18:43+00:00",
    "post-type": "note",
    "_id": "40189734",
    "_source": "8007",
    "_is_read": false
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